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With the ECOOP $1000 (One Rebuy) PLO coming up on Saturday, it's time for me to get some much-needed advice and tips from Pot Limit Omaha World Champion Marty Smyth (not a bad start!) and high-stakes PLO cash player Dave Callaghan.
Every day this week I'm going to put forward a hand I played in a PLO tournament recently for the guys to dissect. The first hand is the one I mentioned in my last post.
To quickly recap, it was a full 9-handed table, playing 15-30 with 5000 chips. There was a limper, a pot raise and then two callers to me in the big blind with 8s 7d 6d 5d. I called and we took the flop five ways. The flop came 9d 7c 3d, I led out pot and the second player (who originally limped pre-flop) called. The turn was the Ad, making the flush, I checked and he checked. The river was a blank 8h, I bet 1000, he raised all-in to 4000 and I called. He showed 77 for a flopped set and I doubled up.
Andy: I bet out the flop to get rid of higher flush draws and duplicate/higher straight draws; wasn't sure what to do on the turn! Was all set to bet/fold on the river, but then I thought surely he would bet the turn with the nut flush and just call the river with a middle flush? So I hero called :-)
Marty: Like I said in the comments section of your blog, I'd have just checked the river with the intention of calling. With the way it played out though, your thinking on the river is right; I think he either has the nuts or else nothing, as he would just call with a smaller flush.
I think I'd probably call the river bet too - for the reasons you mention, although it would be a hopeful call rather than a confident one. I think most people would bet the turn with a nut flush, but some would risk slow-playing the nuts, especially since you're acting first.
Dave: If you're new to tournament omaha you should probably be trying to avoid playing this hand from the blinds given the amount of action there's been before it gets to you and how deep it is.
As played I don't really like the flop bet or the logic behind it and would be trying to keep the pot small rather than escalate it. You've hit the flop hard but you've only got a non diamond 4 or 5 to hit the nuts and you're first to act in a five way. When it's this deep you're not gonna push out higher wraps or flush draws with a single bet and assuming you don't get raised you're leaving yourself in a very tricky spot on the turn regardless of what comes really.
If you were to get it in on flop you're a small favourite over a dry set, flipping with any one pair higher flush draw hand and about a 4-1 dog against a hand like 8910J with diamonds. When you do get to the river I'd be checking with the intention of calling unless you're trying to induce a bluff with a weak lead, but its too early in the game for that really. If you're just going for an early double up then go for a check raise on the flop.
Andy: I think this hand shows the perils of playing non-nut draws out of position! Initially I gave no thought to folding pre-flop, because it's Omaha and ZOMG I have 8765! But out of position, as deep as this, it's well worth considering as Dave says.
We'll have a new hand each day this week. In the meantime, let us know what you think of this one!
Comments (6)
I dont think it is a fold pre. I agree with Dave and would be looking to check raise the flop as opposed to betting it. I really dont think 1 bet would get rid of many draws, nut flush draws or higher wraps. You do only have 6 nut cards on the turn, a lot of cards you think help you could easily be bad for you. I dont know about checking the river. Given the action that has taken place I would have the other guy on a wrap. In which case the 8 makes his hand so a value bet is a decent option.